I need the Star Trek modules, which I recall waiting overnight to pirate from a BBS on my 14.4k. "Do NOT pick up the phone, mom."
Also Lunatic Fringe - somehow and for some reason a full top down space shoot-em-up in After Dark. Probably for office workers to play, I do recall there was a "boss mode" that pulled up a fake spreadsheet or something.
I was 10 or something, so I'm guessing I just Z...M it.
devindotcom
I was pretty young so I barely knew how to operate the telnet terminal - we used one called White Knight. I recall it had a white background by default (hence the name, I suppose) and a green and yellow pie chart download progress indicator.
Not sure if the protocol was available or easily enabled at the time or via those means. I surely would have used it! Buy my brother was the one who set up the application in the first place.
ForOldHack
Everyone needs Lunatic Fringe.
pogue
I need this for Windows.
The After Dark screensavers are on the internet archive, but obviously they look and run like crap since they're made for Windows 3.x to maybe 95/98.
I appreciate the link, but as far as using it aa a screen saver, that's not what I'm looking for.
I would think if this mac After Dark project is open source, the assets would be available to use in other software.
netsharc
I googled "web page as screensaver", saw results for Windows.
But I get the impression you want a ready-made solution for you, not do your own plumbing...
pogue
That would be great, of course. I have found a ready made Flying Toaster screensaver floating around and used that. But, I figured if someone had done it for Mac, surely there'd be a Windows version out there.
xattt
If After Dark was made today, would the toast/toasters have been photorealistic or some Material-design take on toast?
Someone
Photorealistic 3D models, ray traced, using a LLM reading your camera feed to determine where to put light sources in the modeled world.
tonyedgecombe
But they would stutter, take ten minutes to launch and be a 25gb download.
MrDrMcCoy
Perfectly acceptable by modern quality standards.
rconti
The original After Dark, distributed on floppy in 1989, 1.1MB, was $110 in today's money. More than $7 per screen saver!
Of course, the target market of computer users was way smaller than it is today.
coqadoodle
All you needed was a school district that considered it standard software for all computers. I don't know if they licensed it properly... but it was everywhere.
swiftcoder
These are highly nostalgic. My grandfather had a Mac Classic he bought from a friend at work, and it was equipped with After Dark, but also the Looney Tunes sound effects pack (the only one I recall, is that it said "That's all folks" when you shut it down)
Scramblejams
I need this for Wayland. Maybe when the maintainers discover that joy in computing both exists and can be a worthwhile pursuit.
theodric
bUt tHeY'Re uNnEcEsSaRy, ThInK Of tHe pOwEr cOnSuMpTiOn! FaLL iN LiNe aNd dO As yOu'rE ToLd, LiNuX Is nOt aBoUt cHoIcE
That said, XScreenSaver does work properly on Wayland now, apart from locking, but I don't need locking on my personal computer in my personal office in my personal house, so that's fine by me!
reaperducer
I wish someone would do this for a recently deceased OS X screen saver I loved.
Someone went through the film 2001: A Space Odyssey and re-created all of the computer screens, with animation.
It was a masterpiece of mid-century design and space-age optimism.
IIRC, the author got a cease-and-desist demand, and was left to languish and die when Macs went 64-bit only.
general idea, rip the 4k vids from YT and use a video screensaver app
dylan604
Took a look to links from your link to get to the 4K YT. At first I wasn't that impressed until I realized it was defaulting to 480p. The 2160 stream looks amazing. Sadly, being it's a YT stream, that might be the cleanest I've seen clips from that movie. Color me impressed as I go off to find the full movie like that.
Thought about doing it as a Linux screensaver, but I didn't have the patience to actually wait for the idle time, and that way I can share it with my non-Linux-using family.
If you are idle for too long, the flying toasters / screensaver kicks in.
rock_artist
In our age of mobile devices, especially with modern phones having always-on displays this nostalgic experience would’ve been appreciated on phones and watches.
(They can even show up / start moving only after picking the device for battery concerns :) )
Anyway, the flying toasters has some meditation vibe. Even compared to screensavers back then.
Nice anecdote,
With all the changes, screensavers have become less usable with screens being able to simply turn off pixels while toasters are still being used everyday.
omidggmh
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dylan604
"You can also browse and install software releases directly from the Internet Archive without leaving the app. "
That's a fine line being walked there. If they are worried about rights issues and not including the bundles, this seems like a risky FU by building this feature in directly. The part about using bundles you may have without asking questions of origin is fine. Otherwise, why not just include the bundles?
duskwuff
From a pragmatic perspective: Berkeley Systems went through a long chain of acquisitions in the late 90s/early 2000s and eventually ended up under Vivendi, which hasn't done anything significant with the rights since a Flying Toasters themed J2ME game [1] in 2006. I doubt very much that they're going to do anything.
This is pretty well trod legally. By the user taking a specific action, it makes the user responsible. Comma.ai uses the same technique. Technically their self driving hardware comes with no software. You have to click a button and point it at their GitHub to get the software on it, but it's automatic after that.
schoen
We lost a Supreme Court case in 2005 on "inducement liability" (not a familiar copyright doctrine before that).
I'm not sure if this doctrine has continued to be applied to anything else.
jedberg
That's a good point. The other examples didn't involve copyright.
Hopefully since it's so old, the copyright holders are cool about it.
ps. Hi Seth, good to see you around!
micromacrofoot
winamp did something similar, you actually had to whip the llamas ass yourself
stavros
You must be one of those people who always downloaded the barebones version without the plugins.
CaliforniaKarl
I forget, doesn't Audacity also have you do this, if you want to be able to export projects as MP3?
dylan604
yes, although the I recently tried doing this on a cloud Ubuntu instance, and it refused to see the .so file
dallen33
Has anyone been able to make this actually work as a macOS screensaver? I'm using Tahoe and when I go to System Settings -> Wallpapers -> Screensavers, I don't see any option to select like Afterglow or any of the wallpapers I installed.
evereverever
Go to the settings in Afterglow first and enable it. Then in Settings Wallpaper tap the 'Screen saver..' button. Select 'Custom' and then scroll and it is the last item to the right in the 'Other' section.
jamesfmilne
Yes it works, but you need to enable it in the Afterglow settings first.
The thing which I kind of miss is the Stardate calendar app, which made managing class schedules more fun and less of a chore.
hotdog1492
So cool! Is there any way you could make this play Johnny Castaway? I would kill for that.
a2dam
Is the file on archive.org anywhere? Should be pretty straightforward to do if so
CodeWriter23
Anyone get this running? I installed and downloaded content but cannot figure out how to get it to appear under Screen Savers in System Settings.
nickt
In screen savers, scroll to the bottom - and click on the easy to miss "Show All" on the right side. You should see Afterglow in the expanded list.
CodeWriter23
Thanks!
jamesfmilne
You need to enable the Screen Saver module in the Afterglow settings first. Works great.
CodeWriter23
Thanks!
temp0826
I get the nostalgia factor, but is it actually a good idea to use screensavers on modern monitors rather than letting them sleep?
snazz
Leaving it on all the time would probably dim the backlight eventually more than turning it off, but I’m sure the monitor could handle it. Mostly a waste of energy.
MrDrMcCoy
I want this and talking moose for Linux on Wayland.
sharts
I’m surprised still that there hasn’t been a port of the classic old old Windows screensavers.
itomato
The source for all the OpenGL screensavers has been available for a while from an NT SDK.
I ported GL Pipes to run in Jira and show project data.
cube00
They're not as satisfying on today's high resolution displays unless you wanted to also redraw the artwork.
taocoyote
We need this for the Death Toasters from Opus 'n Bill: Brain Saver
nodesocket
Is there just the one Mowin' Man in More After Dark?
Also Lunatic Fringe - somehow and for some reason a full top down space shoot-em-up in After Dark. Probably for office workers to play, I do recall there was a "boss mode" that pulled up a fake spreadsheet or something.
They're there. Installable from within the program.
https://b0b.com/ZMODEM.TXT
Not sure if the protocol was available or easily enabled at the time or via those means. I surely would have used it! Buy my brother was the one who set up the application in the first place.
The After Dark screensavers are on the internet archive, but obviously they look and run like crap since they're made for Windows 3.x to maybe 95/98.
I would think if this mac After Dark project is open source, the assets would be available to use in other software.
But I get the impression you want a ready-made solution for you, not do your own plumbing...
Of course, the target market of computer users was way smaller than it is today.
That said, XScreenSaver does work properly on Wayland now, apart from locking, but I don't need locking on my personal computer in my personal office in my personal house, so that's fine by me!
Someone went through the film 2001: A Space Odyssey and re-created all of the computer screens, with animation.
It was a masterpiece of mid-century design and space-age optimism.
IIRC, the author got a cease-and-desist demand, and was left to languish and die when Macs went 64-bit only.
general idea, rip the 4k vids from YT and use a video screensaver app
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49432857
Thought about doing it as a Linux screensaver, but I didn't have the patience to actually wait for the idle time, and that way I can share it with my non-Linux-using family.
https://jcs.org/
If you are idle for too long, the flying toasters / screensaver kicks in.
Anyway, the flying toasters has some meditation vibe. Even compared to screensavers back then.
Nice anecdote, With all the changes, screensavers have become less usable with screens being able to simply turn off pixels while toasters are still being used everyday.
That's a fine line being walked there. If they are worried about rights issues and not including the bundles, this seems like a risky FU by building this feature in directly. The part about using bundles you may have without asking questions of origin is fine. Otherwise, why not just include the bundles?
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZSufoTPBs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM_Studios,_Inc._v._Grokster,....
I'm not sure if this doctrine has continued to be applied to anything else.
Hopefully since it's so old, the copyright holders are cool about it.
ps. Hi Seth, good to see you around!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8fL9lhcIC8
I ported GL Pipes to run in Jira and show project data.