The combination of largest, best-financed, most violent, and least well-trained/selected does not bode well for the future of ICE. What do people think is going to happen when attempts are made to reduce their scope or funding?
estearum
They'll go back to being basement-dwelling losers.
But we need to make sure we prosecute and imprison every single one who committed a crime.
anigbrowl
You think they're just going to give up the money, power, status (within their preferred social circles) and near-immunity? That seems like a highly optimistic assessment of human history.
estearum
What's the counterfactual? That they stage an actual coup?
Those are the two options. Either our political system continues, in which case yes, they will de facto give up money, power, status, and legal protection. Or our political system does not continue, in which case all bets are off.
We're in a very precarious position, but the actual ICE goons' own preferences to retain money/power/status will not be a relevant factor at all.
I don't know what history you're referring to, because the most salient comparison set is obviously the last 250 years of American history. Across those 250 years, administrations and policy configurations have changed over just fine dozens of times.
If you're comparing this to some other country's challenges with getting rid of a security force, which other countries had comparable institutions and a comparable balance of weaponry between "the security forces" and the public they are trying to oppress?
cyanydeez
huh? fascism isn't about predicting what happens when they fascist. It's about being one with the present.
It's like the opposite of taoism, but, the same, except peace = hate.
anigbrowl
Those are certainly words
Bluestein
The images of the next - and, there will be a 'next' - ICE abuse, involving these, will be dystopían.-
But we need to make sure we prosecute and imprison every single one who committed a crime.
Those are the two options. Either our political system continues, in which case yes, they will de facto give up money, power, status, and legal protection. Or our political system does not continue, in which case all bets are off.
We're in a very precarious position, but the actual ICE goons' own preferences to retain money/power/status will not be a relevant factor at all.
I don't know what history you're referring to, because the most salient comparison set is obviously the last 250 years of American history. Across those 250 years, administrations and policy configurations have changed over just fine dozens of times.
If you're comparing this to some other country's challenges with getting rid of a security force, which other countries had comparable institutions and a comparable balance of weaponry between "the security forces" and the public they are trying to oppress?
It's like the opposite of taoism, but, the same, except peace = hate.